I have recently highlighted one or two ways that subscribers have been using the ratings and if you read the latest post here, you may have seen a comment added by Norman which was then followed up by Neil suggesting a new horse racing system.
Normans first post set out the rules which are very simple, if a little time consuming however I have come up with a method that sorts out a race in less than a minute.
His winners on the day he posted his comment were at 16/1 and 9/2 plus the others he had the day before were at 7/1, 9/2, 6/1, 11/2 and 10/1.
Neil has stated that his method is the same but he is only betting on horses if he can get 7/1 or bigger and betting them each way and he also gets the early best odds guaranteed the night before which is a sensible idea. For some of the bigger priced winners you may want to bet on the exchanges.
Personally I wonder if you are backing each way you may want to make sure you can get 10/1 or 12/1 perhaps or maybe just back all of the qualifiers in single win bets.
Of course from the qualifiers you could find a further rule that just allows one selection, as Norman stated you could go for the highest from these in the Master rating column, I have another idea that seems to be consistent with the results I have seen that you may want to choose.
Neil says he has doubled his bank in about one month, starting with £100 and turning this into over £230. Bearing in mind he only started off betting 50p each way, that is some going I would say.
He has now increased his stakes to £1 each way, will go up to £2 each way in the future and says his aim is to be betting £5 each way very soon.
I have to say that starting at low stakes is a very sensible idea as you can try something out without a large risk to your stakes and as Neil has done, you can increase these at any time when your bank has grown.
The System Rules
- Handicap races only.
- Sort the race by the Master column to bring the highest ratings to the top and note down the race card number of those that are in the top 50%. If you have 10 runners in the race then you note down the top 5, if there are 13 runners then you add one making 14 and note down the top 7. You may have more if the last one or two have the same rating and this is fine.
- Sort the race next by the Lto column, then by the Avg column and finally by the M+A column, noting down the top 50% of all columns as you did with the Master column. If you open the cards separately by each course rather than all races for the day on one page it will sort each column a little quicker.
- Finally take the horse or all horses that are showing in all four columns.
- Bet those at your chosen minimum price range to win or each way.
You can see an example of a ten runner race and how you might write these down below.
| Master | Lto | Avg | M+A |
| 2 | 5 | 5 | 5 |
| 5 | 9 | 7 | 2 |
| 3 | 7 | 8 | 8 |
| 4 | 8 | 1 | 7 |
| 8 | 4 | 2 | 6 |
| 6 | 6 |
So in this race you would take the runners with race card numbers 5 and 8
If you have too many selections or just want to narrow these down, I have found that just choosing those from the final qualifiers that are one of the top 3 rated in the Lto column seems to cover quite a lot of the winners, but this is only my initial idea looking at some recent winners found by the system, not one suggested by Norman or Neil.
What you are left with are horses that are in the top 50% of each of the main four columns provided by Inform Racing and just this would suggest a decent enough strike rate.
If you didn’t want to remove any of the runners you could back them all as I believe Neil does, as long as they pass his 7/1 minimum price rule. He has recently come up with Summerinthecity Won 16/1 and Old Guard Won 12/1 so you can see how bets at these prices would cover a number of losers or those that just place.
I am not sure what Norman does regarding non runners but Neil says he down’t concern himself with these, however he places his bets the night before on most occasions when there are unlikely to be any non runners.
An example from yesterday
2.55 Lingfield – Triple Dream Won 10/1, New Rich 3rd 8/1
If you work this race out you would be left with horses, 8, 3, 7 and 2. If you took my filter of just if top 3 rated in the Lto column from all qualifiers you would be left with just 8, 3 and 2.
From these, horse number 8 Triple Dream won at 10/1 (13.22 on Betfair). Horse number 3 came third at 8/1 and horse number 2 came last but was only 9/2 so would have been no bet anyway.
As I have said, the last filter is just one I have added looking at some of the results, it is not mentioned by either Norman who came up with the idea or Neil who has continued to use and update me with his success and has posted quite a few comments on the last post too.
Incidentally, Neil increased his bank yesterday by 10% and if you could do that every day, well Rodney this time next year……………….
An even quicker way to find the selections might be to write down the racecard numbers of the top half of one of the columns, then cross out those numbers that don’t appear in the top half of each other column when you sort them. That way you don’t have four lists of numbers to compare, just one list, and the numbers not crossed out are the selections.
If you use Ian’s idea of narrowing them down to the top 3 LTO rated, then just write down those racecard numbers, and sort the other three columns, crossing out any of them that aren’t in the top half.
Hi Ian
This was an excellent read and thank-you for the recognition for my method given last month
it’s still winning, I have good days and not so good but I am very pleased Neil has managed to tweak the original idea and get further success and I shall continue to look for improvements if possible
The question of non-runners for some can be awkward and the approach to making selections the night before has sound principles and so avoid the non-runner problem
What I have done is stand by my original starter and take the declared number of runners, add the 1 if an odd number and just scroll down the card and include the 50% LEFT in the race
I don’t change the number I use i.e. 11 decs add 1 which = 6 to consider
if there are 3 non-runners….I have still used 6 as my figure but it’s entirely up to the reader to stick with this figure or use the revised figure of 8 actual runners which = 4 horses to consider
although the smaller the field could end up with every runner being considered which was not the original idea in the first place
Thanks Norman for putting it up in the first place. It is good that you also find it is still winning.
Been having some nice winners lined up with this idea always take big prices 10/1+ some good one’s if the LTO was the same distance as todays race I cover 9 selections on a union jack trixes 32 bets at 5p £1.50p won £45 a few days ago nearly always getting a return great site keep up the good work don’t mind none runners they all count on this bet
People have asked if it works better for NH. I think adding a draw filter might help improve AW figures. For example – in the Kempton 4:25 Dovi’ls Duel would qualify but is 13/14 in Draw%.That would eliminate it for me
I used M, LTO, AV, DR, C & DIS as my filters for Kempton and my only selection was in the last – Priors Brook currently 13/2.
hi like this idea , i will now i think keep a record of selections for a month or so to see where winners are coming from and s/r etc ,
there will of course be numerous ways to use this system after firstly taking in the rules applied , for example like you are saying to get down to one selection , BUT THERE AGAIN YOU COULD DUTCH THEM ALL TOGETHER IF YOU WISH TO ?
ANOTHER THING THAT STRUCK ME WHEN LOOKING AT THE 12.40 RACE TODAY WAS THAT THE WINNER DAZINSKI ( 14/1 , BSP17.5 ) WAS TOP ON LTO AND TOP ON AVG , BUT BECAUSE IT DIDN’T HAVE A MASTER RATING FROM LAST 12MONTHS IT DIDN’T QUALIFY , SO PERHAPS ONLY LOOK AT HANDICAP RACES THAT GIVES RUNNERS IN IT A RATING ON EACH COLUMN ?
Try not too tinker with it as it WORKS and u may start missing big winners. For the sake of not having so many bets !!!!!
OOH SO close with sunbaked 33/1 2nd still no losses today bank stays the same
lost by a neck interesting thing is that wakame the winner bet 365 locked out any bets on this last night !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! when it was 7/2 thought that was a bit suss
Hi
How can we get these ratings in south african horse racing
I had DAZINSKI 14/1 only( L.T.O. in red same distance) bang in the middle of my union jack just need 1 from next 8 although you get a win at double the odds if none of the 8 come in fingers crossed
oops forgot about two jabs just spotted my account 16/1 boooom went off at 13/2 with trimulioet 3rd at 16/1 bank increased today by 24 pounds kabooooosh
Thanks BIG BAZ 8/1 more like that please
Well done with big bad but I think it was not a selection from memory as either lto or avg was too far down
Neil, shouldn’t Deer Song have been backed in the 4.55 @Kempton
I did back it
Morning all,very interesting angle,well done to Norman and Neil,are you backing with traditional bookmakers or on Betfair? I’m wondering whether to incorporate the 20/80 win place technique with it on Betfair.Paper trading today,good luck all!
Bet 365 each way best profits back before exchanges even settle. Prime example was two jabs 16/1 6pm sp 13/2. So would not of been in my price range at off
EW as u will miss some juicy winners with just 20 going on win !!!!!! Bank is proven to grow just set aside a sum where you can quite easily afford to place IE 40 percent you will get it back. Bank will usually drop by any 20 max then level then grow it s a good safe pattern. If sun baked had of landed yesterday 1st place bank would of increased by nearly half with others coming in !!!!!! A couple of those a fortnight is plenty
These are the top 50% selections for today – All Handicaps including Nursery and Amateur. Non-runners not accounted for (input direct from the Ratings). 7/1 odds filter not applied – up to individuals to do this.
Lingfield 1210
Show Me Again
Blacklister
Sahalin
Lady Canford
Faster Company
Wincanton 1250
I’m In Charge
Market Rasen 1300
Chicoria
Wincanton 1320
Shot In The Dark
Very Intense
Duke’s Affair
Tenby Jewel
Market rasen 1330
Cayman Islands
Wincanton 1350
Shuil Royale
San Benedeto
Byron Blue
Benbecula
Market Rasen 1405
Handiwork
Work In Progress
Brave Spartacus
Wincanton 1425
Alder Mairi
The Sneezer
Market Rasen 1440
Silver Shuffle
Perseid
Lingfield 1450
El Viento
Varsovian
Market Rasen 1510
Pembroke House
Fly Home Harry
Ivans Back
Lingfield 1520
Ravenous
Lingfield 1550
Taurian
Qibtee
Wincanton 1600
Ma’Ire Rua
Hope’s Wishes
Chelmsford 1620
Hold On Magnolia
Sakhee’s Jem
Thewayitellum
Kingsley Klarion
Chelmsford 1655
Sun’Aq
Misu Moneypenny
Chelmsford 1805
Georgian Bay
Basil Berry
Al Khan
Crazy Chic
Cricklewood Green
Chelmsford 1840
Greenside
Ginger Jack
Imshivalla
Big Whiskey
Chelmsford 1910
Trending
Chica Rapida
El Duque
Chelmsford 1940
Dalaki
Kristjano
Galileano
Thanks for posting these Keith, I am sure it has helped a few who are new to the system.
great,thanks Neil (and Keith for todays selections) 🙂
I like this idea,but I wondered if anyone had analysed the Races, in a way that they could be narrowed down to a manageable number. There seems to be 20 possible races today, so I would think there would be more on a Saturday.
I was thinking, maybe by Class or Distance. Is Nat Hunt better than A/W Number of Runners. Etc…..
Just wondered in Norman Neil or Ian, who have been using the method may have some feed back on this.
I was also going to add, that if anyone had the time to produce the selections on a daily basis, but I see someone has already done todays.
do not try and tinker with it just go with the flow IT WINS set aside a decent bank 100 is plenty to play all the qualifiers at 50p ew ,do not get nervous or it will be a case of missing juicy days
If you did want to try and find filters then the best way would be to enter all selections into HRSC (http://www.hrsc.co.uk) and over time see if there are any trends using the system checker. e.g. might be more winners over a certain code of racing or class etc.
I hope you all managed to back El Viento WON 8/1, drifted from half that price but still wins.
And a good priced winner with Taurian WON 12/1
Thanks Keith for listing the qualifiers
Quite a few winners in most races today and that’s what we all want from our racing selections
Thanks for sharing this system, only started yesterday evening with the one winner (Two Jabs) followed up today with Taurian (20/1 yesterday) and El Viento. Cracking stuff!
TODAY = Kaboooooooom bank gonna need a vault soon
el duque took 14/1last night kaboooosh
Results today as per selections shown above.
All selections, no price filters:
No. Races 20
No. Bets 52
Win Bets 12
% Win Bets 23.08%
%Race Wins 60.00%
Profit 25.77
% Profit 49.56%
No bets below 8.00 (Betfair, not BOG Bookmakers):
No. Races 17
No. Bets 30
Win Bets 5
% Win Bets 16.67%
%Race Wins 29.41%
Profit 20.77
% Profit 69.23%
No Selections odds of 20.00+ (Betfair)
No. Races 19
No. Bets 44
Win Bets 12
% Win Bets 27.27%
%Race Wins 63.16%
Profit 33.77
% Profit 76.75%
Posted this info today just to see how things went. Not able to do on a daily basis!
key word here keith IS PROFIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GREAT WORK on the stats as well eyeopener and very helpfull THIS SYSTEM IS A KEEPER ian it may need its own page !!
im away saturday with very limited internet access till tuesday ,im already stewing about it lol , if any one can post selections will be much aprreciated
As you are one of the originators, will post selections for next few days.
Great read, potentialy a great system. Thanks guys. I have today used it via the selections posted by Keith to ensure I got the correct selections. I used my own filter to sort out my selections to avoid too many bets. This is done by looking at all the selections and jotting down the RTF (racing to form) of the trainers in the racing post online free. I have only done Chelmsford so I have no idea how the the NH selections faired with this filter.I selected the qualifiers with the highest RTF of the trainers. The selections I backed in a 4 horse patent. 16.55 SUNAG trf 80% (won 11/8. 18.05 CRICKWOOD GREEN rtf 70%(lost) 18.40 BIG WHISKEY trf 71% (won 4/1) 19.10 EL DUQUE trf 50% (won 8/1 from 12/1). All of the trainers had there horse top in the RTF. I nice little pick up trying this for the first time. Thanks once again guys. Any problems or I have not made it clear just let me know. Ed
Bet should read LUCKY 15 whoops
Keith can I be cheeky and request you put up the ratings tomorrow so I can check I have applied the rules correctly. I will then put up the trainers RTF and then see where that takes use. Just looked at the 14.50 Lingfield today and of the 2 selections EL VIENTO won 8/1 (R Fahey RTF 48% VARSOVIAN{ LOST} (T CARROLL RTF 29%. I think this could be a little profitable filter to help reduce bets, I also think a qualifier wearing headgear for the 1st time may also may be worth a second look. Do not intend to tinker to much with a brilliant piece of work, which these guys have been so kind to share. Ed
Will be picking selections anyway, so will post just for Friday.
Thanks Keith you are a diamond. Ed
Neil,are you managing to get small stakes on bet 365,I thought it was fiver minimum bet?
10p ew B365 minimum same as PP stan james is 5p !!!! good luck all off on 3 day jolly AND THANKS IN ADVANCE keith for posting as will have enough signal for quick log in too write down THIS TIME NEXT YEAR RODDERS
The odds of the one of the two qualifiers in the 12.50 Haydock has almost halved in price since earlier this evening
I managed 20/1 but it now sits @ 12/1 and will probably drop further
As a word of caution to those who want to find short-cuts for making quicker picks
the 2 later races at Chelmsford this evening were selected by the method but El Duque (BOG 18/1) and Big Whiskey (BOG 8/1) would have been missed if the reader had only used the highlighted top three rated in the recommended columns
Both had a 4th place rating in either Master or Lto but fitted the method by being in the top 50% of the runners
Care needs to be taken when deleting the runners
One writer, Roly, stated that they had backed Dazinski @ 14/1 the other day, I also backed it but not as a method selection but as a danger to my main selections. It had been a top rated Av+ which was highlighted because I had listed all suitable qualifiers to each column. A small saver win only was sufficient
My notes and records are large and I can see past winners quickly on my spreadsheets.
If you want to win with this or any other method then care and accurate record keeping are essential
I hope for those who are profiting by my method and which has been given the essential tweaks by Neil, keep recording the numbers of winners and their figures from Inform.
Without Ian’s numbers …..were would we be……
Thanks for the original post Norman and the updates to your methods too.
Thanks for putting horse up today so if you got three the same how would u just get one to bet on
If you just use 50% Master & 50% M&A providing they are in both . This would make it easy to work out doing
all bets win . Would welcome any comments on this idea .
Hi Ray
nothing wrong with only using these 2 sets of ratings.
I have used them, just these 2, on many occasions to find my dangers to main method selections
Most of the decent bets (winning) will have been either top or 2nd rated by at least one of the columns
the Lto is my least popular column, especially this time of year when anything could have happened in running in a horse’s previous race
First 2 races today : – would be excellent if Shades of Midnight wins but I shall back Optimistic Bias if it drifts to beyond 5/1. The danger would have been Cowslip but the price BOG 50/1 does not reflect its chances. I also see S of M on offer as low as 6/1…..has this method really caused this plunge ????
In the second race 2.40 Ascot the only selection is Tenor Nivernais BOG 11/4, a bit short and Back to Bracka @ 5/1 along with Ballinvarrig @ 7/2 are definite dangers.
There’s no real value in this race and there will be better, bigger priced opportunities later today and tomorrow
Selections for 20th November. Top 50% in all 4 categories. No allowance made for non-runners or price:
Haydock 1250 **
Optimistic Bias
Shades Of Midnight
Ascot 1440
Tenor Nivernais
Ascot 1515 **
Financial Climate
Sands Cove
Caulfields Venture
Ascot 1550
Cloonacool
War Singer
Starluck
Wolverhampton 1615
Zebs Lad
First Rebellion
Misu Pete
Laughing Rock
Go Charlie
Wolverhampton 1715
Swift Cedar
All For The Best
Hero’s Story
Wolverhampton 1850
Testa Rossa
Call Me Crockett
Tangramm
Les Gar Gan
Kantara Castle
Swiss Lait
Wolverhampton 1920 **
Dream Spirit
Siren’s Cove
Wolverhampton 1950
Idol Deputy
Know Your Name
Manolito
The races marked ** have at least 1 runner without any ratings.
Hi Keith
Thanks for your selections above, just wondered why on the 3.15, Sands Cove is a selection? Not in the 50% and in all 4? Doesnt come up in 50% in master column.
9 Runners, so top 5 (4.5 rounded up). Sands Cove and Bob Tucker are both 82 on the Master Rating, that’s =5th. Suppose you could ignore because they’re equal – the “rules” above don’t indicate – but Sands Cove is way ahead on the other ratings. It’s a personal choice.
Sand’s Cove qualifies :- 3 1 2 3
there are no breaks in the ranking list so joints or co-rated are all given the same number and the next different rating just picks up the next ranking slot
6.50 race is the worst for this with 6 qualifiers, best 2 are Call Me Crockett & Tangramm but a lot of selections today are struggling to reach double figures in the betting market
you’re a star Keith 🙂
Hi all,
Thanks to Norman, Neil and Ian’s superb figures. I have used Inform Racing for a number of years. Its all about using the figures the right way for your advantage. I am using Normans system which is great. Covers all bases. Ok sometimes I look at course and distance. I tend not to touch any races which have ‘unexposed cells/boxes’ because you just dont know there ratings at all.
I use betfair at the moment, I started with £50 in account 2 days ago, now have £85. Min bet with Betfair is £2. I use a mixture of ‘place betting’ and win beting. Don’t get confused the people out there. ‘Place betting’ is NOT ‘each way’ betting on Betfair. Just wondered who uses just ‘win’ or do people just use ‘place betting’?
Great stuff people, onwards and upwards.
Will
Hi Will,
I’ve been using place only bets on B/Fair for a while. I was sick of seconditis and decided to play safe. I have many more returns now and it suits me. But it’s each to their own in the betting jungle.
The 20/80 or 2/8 if you like is a good insurance bet. e.g. £2 win, £8 place on B/Fair or 20p/80p if you know how to manipulate B/Fair to use the very small stakes.
Cheers buddy.
Been using 20/80 also. Do you just go for it never mind a really low odds or do you stick to let’s say 2.5 upwards. It’s also a bonus more than one comes in of course!
Thank you Norman for your reply . So if I use just the 2 columns and providing the top 2 rated in either column are in the top 50% in both . That would cut down the time, and do you think this would be a good way .
An excellent short-cut method to find selections and keep the profits rolling in
Just remember….Don’t get jealous or envious of those big priced winners you might miss if others are backing them and Booooooooooming on here !!
12.50 Shades of Midnight
14.40 Tenor Nivernais
15.15 Financial Climate
15.50 Cloonacool
there will be winners missed but it certainly cuts down the bets
Great Norman . I just had a look and came out with the same as you . Betting this way, you could increase level stakes so missing winners would allow for that . Also this cuts down the length of time needed to work out the bets ,because you are using just 2 columns .
Norman I’ve just had an idea by backing these each way on betfair sp , and the place could be the maximum places on each race they allow . I’m getting excited .
Wolverhampton
4.15 zebs lad
first rebellion
go Charlie
6.50 Tessa rossa
call me crockett
7.20 sirens cove
7.50 know your name
manolito .
Hi Ray
Thanks for these. Unless I have missed something you seem to have left a few out
4.15 laughing rock
6.50 tangramm, Swiss Lait
7.20 berlusca(system 3 pick) and perfect cracker
7.50 idol deputy
I’m probably missing somethin can you sigh ten me out please.
All we need now is for the horses to do the business!!!
Cheers
Richard
Predicted text!! I mean straighten!
Hi Richard laughing rock is in , beruscat is in They must be in the first 2 top rated in either column . They id Master & M&A .
I’ve a signal lol. Norman still go for these 50/1 shots. I had word for guards chapel in week said it would run well and ew should be taken. 3rd at 100/1 on 365. So betfair even bigger. As for shades of midnight might be the 10 p ew ers lol. Seriously that. Stable father and son like a touch now and then. When they get one handicapped nicely. Hopefully check in tomorrow in darkest Wiltshire
What do you do when there are unrated horses?
today
Hidden Justice 12:50H
Achille 3:15A and
Golden Heritage7:20W
all have decent winning chances
Personally I wouldn’t bet in these races using this system. How about you?
I have applied my filter to Keith’s ratings (I sincerly hope I am not muddying the water here) 12.50 Haydock OPTIMISTIC BLUE trf 43% SHADES OF MIDNIGHT trf 100% this will be my bet.
ASCOT 2.40 TREVOR NIVERNIS trf 39% There are 2 trainers in this with higher rtf% Lucinda Russell 70% and Robert Dickin 100%. ASCOT 3.15 SANDS OF COVE trf 50% again 2 trainers with higher rtf % Emma Lavelle trf 75% and OLIVER SHERWOOD trf63%. ASCOT 3.50 CLOONACOOL trf 50% WAR SINGERtrf 40% Again 3 trainers with higher rtf % BRIAN ELLISON 83% DAVID ARBUTHNOT trf 100% and HENRY OLIVER 83%. Will post Wolvs up later. Cheers Ed
Another way of shortlisting to a more manageable list is to dare I say it look at the VDW ratings and if it is the only horse in the race that is highlighted in both the Ability and Form (ignore race if all the ability are 0) then its a selection
so from the full list yesterday you would have shortlisted
12.50 Im in Charge – Fell 9/2
2.40 Persaid – Unp 4/1
2.50 El Viento – Won 8/1
3.10 Pembroke House 2nd 8/1 btn 1/2L
4.00 Hope Wishes Won 11/4
6.05 Georgian Bay 2nd 7/1 Btn Hd
worth keeping an eye on
Just out of interest just two qualifiers from todays list
12.50 Haydock – Optimistic Bliss
3.50 Ascot – Cloonacool
Doing this you miss all the winners. !!!
Hi all,
Just a word for those that mention Betfair minimum £2 win. You can bet smaller amounts by placing a bet of £2 that won’t be taken i.e. at much larger odds then adjust to £2.50 or whatever you wish and cancel the £2 bet, Hope that helps, Roger
If you are serious about betting on Betfair in small amounts down to £0.01p then until recently the free site at Cymatic was perfect but after 3 years of being a free site they have gone down the subscription route very, very recently….last week in fact and it is now about £7 a month, cheaper for the year
The other one that charges subs is Gruss software, similar charges.
Outside of these two there is of course Bet Angel and probably someone else knows of others I have missed
The 5.15 Wolv race creates a slight problem because of the well rated non-runner in Tempuran
The gelding would have been assessed if the race had been examined last night and there would have remained just the 3 horses to consider for the race BUT
because of the withdrawal another contender has “poked” its head out of the horse-box to consider
It was 16/1 last night but is now as low as 11/2 in places….Heart Locket should be considered a danger to the other selections
Look out for el Campeon had a word for this and it’s been gambled BIG
Although it was not a
Selection just stating. Plus trainer had a winner yesterday I took 8/1 it now 7/2
Whilst I. Can I will post another idea I’m using I note all
My selections and prices the evening before racing and if any have halved. Which they will I get on again as they are major gambled As we know major gambles win a few bob. IE Shades of midnight was a major ew gamble 20/1 into 7/1 they knew !!! Nice 4/1 return for us and the trainers winter feed As above some are trying too tinker to much I feel. IF IT AINT BRIKE DO NOT FIX yes it looks daunting with the amount of bets , but as I said set aside a decent bank to absorb the outlay and you will be fine , in 5 weeks mine has never even come near danger . Days an break even drop down and go boooom that’s the beauty of this . As from next week I’m going 2.50 ew. From 50p.
I thought you were taking a weekend jolly in the windswept South of the country, not keeping up with the racing on here.
you must be as excited as Ray is getting at the prospect of having winners daily and bank balances building
I used to tip once upon a time and one guy used to natter his wife if I put my horses out a bit late. She was given instructions on how to place the bets on Betfair if he had left for work in the mornings and I hadn’t sent the selections out before he had left for work. Bragging apart, his balance went up FOURFOLD before I pulled the plug…stress and pressure from others stopped me and now I only write on Forums, one of which I put up the 25/1 winner Arnold Lane last night, but I did think Georgian Bay had nabbed it on the line. Always nice to have backed both
Hi Norman, if you have any more 25/1 winning selections don’t hesitate to put them up!! I am sure there are a number of us that could use them wisely.
Thanks for all your efforts it certainly makes betting more interesting when you have a disciplined approach particularly if you can win as well.
Cheers
Richard
Couldn’t agree more
There is no perfect system but from the results to Normans and yours there is no need to change anything.
Cheers with thanks
Richard
Short cut way . Take the top 2 rated in both Master & M&A ratings include all joint , if more than 1 joint top don’t go to the next rated . If any of top 2 or joint in either ,just check if in 50% top in the other . If so bobs your uncle each way .
Since yesterday I have followed system to the letter except that I look at Racing Post betting forecast and only bet if 10/1 or bigger.
I bet £2 place on betfair exchanges and £1 on betfair sportsbook.
I started with £103 and finished with £137.
I also use informs system 4
At the moment I’m a happy chappie but I’ll see where I’m at after the 7.20 race tonight.
Zeb’s Lad wins the first race at Wolverhampton @ BOG 10/1, with a placed selection for company
Hi Norman
Can I ask you. Do you us the exchanges? Are you a place man, back them to win, a bit of both, each way boy? Back to win, has the risk but big reward
Place is safer but lower return. Just wondered what your strategy is, that’s if you want to give it away of course 🙂
Big Mac, the flamboyant hand waving co-presenter from C4 Racing said several years ago that Bookmakers were altering their methods and the BHB would be falling into line with their opinions
The BHB decided to adjust handicap races, effectively making them into a tighter range of weights by compressing the races whereby the difference in top to bottom rarely exceeded 14 pounds, Heritage races being more open but essentially the weights were to be limited and the bottom weight was set thereby doing away with very light weights. Health issues of the jockeys was a stated factor in changing the rules.
The Bookies reflected these changes by stating the races would become more competitive and in doing so their prices range was altered so that it meant that if a horse was put up at a big price, then it had little or no chance of winning
I accepted the challenge by stopping backing Favourites and decided to analyse races to find horses that would provide me with a steady income. A winner at 10/1 will allow me to have 10 more bets before I find I am losing. A winner @ 2/1 will give me 2 bets before I am losing and there are stats that quote backing short-priced horses will always end in an overall loss.
You need to decide on a bench-mark price that if any horse is lower, you will avoid backing but you also need to decide on a limit price. A range for me in races graded 4 – 6 would be 4/1 12/1….this alters with better races and can become 6/1 16/1 but I rarely back the favourite and would hesitate backing over 20/1
But I welcome a drift in the prices and am pleased if it floats out to 33/1 or bigger. I start to be concerned if the horse takes a drop in price.
I rarely use Betfair because the prices are not reliable until 10 mins before the race starts. I have never used Betfair SP and I am not interested. I use At the Races for the prices, I did use Oddschecker but sometimes the bets got lost so I now use ATR website. Place betting only, not enough profit for me, it’s a pretend bet with a different name. Some would call it Paper-Trading and it is not a guaranteed way for a profit so WIN ONLY for most of my bets although E/W on occasions
Thank you Norman. A good read and taken in.
Cheers
As an add-on, Saturday’s racing for the most part has very little value to be found and I would suggest anyone making their bets then do it early, at BOG prices
Thanks Norman . Another idea instead of using top 2 providing top 5 in the other using master and M&A what about using top 5 in both providing they are in both 50% . I’ve worked at Saturdays on the previous idea I gave you and it’s left a lot of bets so doing the 50% in both would give even both . I think backing everything to win instead of each way . I just wondered on your opinion on this .
Don’t have time to detail the full results, but today would have made 7.37pts profit. That’s using the selections I indicated this morning – just 1 filter of excluding selections above 20.00 Betfair.
Hi Keith,
Do you dutch the selections or have a level stake?
Dutching spreads the profit but the larger priced winners do boost the overall returns.
When I looked earlier today I thought the prices for the three horses in the 19:50 at Wolverhampton were too short to back EW, so I did 6 x £2 forecasts and tricasts instead.
Happy Bunny, cheers to all who shared this system.
maybe ian can put something on his website were we can put horses down so only members can see selections what do you all think can you do that ian or not
David
I have discussed this with Ian and he may decide over the weekend
The big odds winners seem to be coming from the AW/Flat.Maybe this is because quite a few of the big odds winners over the jumps don’t make it into top 50% of at least one column as the form has Pull up,Fell,UR etc.